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Debate in English (英語で討論)

1 :名無しさん@英語勉強中:2005/07/11(月) 19:27:27
Let's debate on it.

332 :名無しさん@英語勉強中:2006/08/12(土) 01:40:15
ZIDAN'S HEADBUTT: ALLOWABLE OR NOT

Odd Number: Positive
Even Number: Negative


333 :how do u like it?:2006/08/12(土) 02:23:16
Debate-in-English Rules:

1) Statements on the topic should be written in English.
2) Statements should always be positive or negative, not in-between.
3) A debate will end with six statements: three positives and three negatives.
4) Comments on the debate or individual statements can be written in either 日本語 or in English.
5) You can comment on ongoing debates, but preferabley, AFTER the debate.
6) English correction is always welcome, but not in debating statements.

Any suggestion?

334 :日本語でも書いてみます:2006/08/12(土) 02:51:36
奇数番号の人:肯定(賛成)の発言をする
偶数番号の人:否定(反対)の発言をする

1)ディベート内の発言は英語で書くこと
2)ディベート内の発言は肯定か否定(賛成か反対)、中間はなし
3)肯定派と否定派、それぞれ3回発言したところで1ディベート終了
4)ディベート、あるいは個々の発言についてのコメントは日本語でもOK。英語もOK。
5)ディベート進行中のコメントも可。でも、できれば終了時まで待ってほしい
6)英語の訂正は歓迎。ただし発言内での(相手の)英語訂正は無用。

新参者なので空気読めてないかもだけどどうだろ。英語に戻ります。

335 :名無しさん@英語勉強中:2006/08/12(土) 02:55:35
>>332
You will never know if you're going to be odd number or even number.

336 :名無しさん@英語勉強中:2006/08/12(土) 13:31:41
>>335
Sometimes you do, sometimes not. I think it will still work with some pre-statement signs,
showing your positive or negative position. For example:

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337 名前:名無しさん@英語勉強中[] 投稿日:
On the topic >>332
Possitive 1:
Zidane's deed was totally allowable because...
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You can add the number after "positive" (line 3) to 3
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341 名前:名無しさん@英語勉強中[] 投稿日:
On the topic >>332
Possitive 3: >>337 >>339
[Anchor-tag reference to previous statements will be usable in some cases]
My point is, Zidane's bald head was so perfect for headbutt, and...
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You can add more statements if you want to continue, but the whole procedure
depends on others' comments. If many say "yamere" against you, you were probably
not convincing enough. That is, you lose on the debate.

The "odd-positive" and "even-negative" rotation is not a rule. It's a preferable order.
But we sitill need it just because a debate should be as rotational as possible.

337 :just a correction:2006/08/12(土) 13:36:03
But we still need it just because. . .

338 :名無しさん@英語勉強中:2006/08/20(日) 16:13:29
>>334
Thank you for your advice.


339 :名無しさん@英語勉強中:2006/08/23(水) 17:27:54
The point of view of allowable.

First, Zidan made mistake to behave his headbutt that hits Materazzi on
the world cup final. Although the reason is unclear in detail,
The action occured from his thinking of saving his family. If it
is true, the action might allow Zidan. His thinking tought us
strongly relationship between him and him family. It is great!
Second, FIFA punished Zidan to pay some money and to do social
action to take a red card on his final game. The final red card
is the worst memorial for him. This indicates to be the end of
pysically payoff for his punishement.
Finally, I guess Zidan has been bothering the action that is
good or bad forever. and also he might bother to break down his
final game. He brought him a heavy weight cross as well.
--
PS.
It is difficult for me to allow Zidan's action. Because whatever is
violence, it is bad! In particular, Zidan is the best player for a
decade from 1996. The best players make us efficient siginificantly.
Therefore they become good examples for children although I understand
his thinking for his family.

340 :名無しさん@英語勉強中:2006/08/31(木) 01:42:35
(Silence)

341 :名無しさん@英語勉強中:2006/09/29(金) 06:28:44
The debate has ended.

342 :名無しさん@英語勉強中:2006/10/09(月) 16:30:38
Is this thread alive at all?

343 :名無しさん@英語勉強中:2006/10/10(火) 20:51:47
I wonder why people become stupid when they get old.
I know a lot of people who graduated from the top-elite universities
but very stupid when they are in their 50s or over.

344 :名無しさん@英語勉強中:2006/10/10(火) 21:37:00
>>343
I don't agree with you. Many old people are respectable.
What do you mean by stupid? Not smart? wise? intelligent?
You might be too young to realize your stupidity.


345 :名無しさん@英語勉強中:2006/10/10(火) 22:07:56
>>344
Yes, many old people are respectable, expecially those who went through the hardship of the war are respectable, no doubt about it.
However, it is also true that there are many people (N.B. not everyone) who have stopped using their brain, obviously for a long time.
Those people only rely on the knowledge they acquired up to Uni. and never try to go beyond that.
Since they have stopped thinking seriously, they end up make stupid decisions.
I know I'm sounding like beating around the bush, that's because in order to make more clear explanation, I need to use some examples,
but unfortunately, that's no possible due to the nature of the Internet.
So my point is, those who have stopped using their brain become stupid, and the longer one stops thinking seriously,
the more stupid one gets, thus many old people are stupid.


346 :名無しさん@英語勉強中:2006/10/10(火) 22:58:59
>>345
I don't want to blame over 60 years old retired folks..
50 years old people in society are still working hard.
You have to make effort to meet with sophisticated people.

Anyway, stupid is bad word.

347 :名無しさん@英語勉強中:2006/10/10(火) 23:12:16
>>346
This is a thread for debate, therefore, you need to substantiate your comments with reasons.


348 :名無しさん@英語勉強中:2006/10/10(火) 23:19:07
>>347
I found a solution for him.

349 :名無しさん@英語勉強中:2006/11/19(日) 17:57:36
I,....I want to pee.

350 :名無しさん@英語勉強中:2006/12/17(日) 02:26:20
I think this thread is most needed.

351 :名無しさん@英語勉強中:2006/12/20(水) 02:48:06
>>350
Agreed. So let's continue it.

352 :名無しさん@英語勉強中:2006/12/20(水) 04:59:16
I like to write in english.
It's fun.

353 :dodod:2006/12/20(水) 05:15:28
I like to write in english.
It's fun.

354 :名無しさん@英語勉強中:2006/12/20(水) 06:59:06
So what's the next topic?
Anyone?

355 :名無しさん@英語勉強中:2006/12/20(水) 17:34:45
What do you think about the ban on scatology in USA?

356 :名無しさん@英語勉強中:2006/12/20(水) 17:39:45
It is unrealistic. Every food in the United States are
obviously made of Shitt; the taste reveals it to you.
How come all the Americans bear with emforced fast?



357 :名無しさん@英語勉強中:2006/12/20(水) 17:55:21
what do you think about american people saying 'happy holiday' instead of
'happy christmas' in public. i think that's pretty disgusting!
they should stop jewish being ruling the world.
christmas is not that religeous at all.
it's a sort of culture we enjoy.

358 :名無しさん@英語勉強中:2006/12/20(水) 18:06:30
If Americans were willing to celebrate 'Hari raya puasa'
(final day of Islamic fast) and some other non-Christian oriented
festivals in their country, perhaps muslims should
convert their hostility to the United States.





359 :名無しさん@英語勉強中:2006/12/21(木) 03:52:36
Christmas is more of a worldwide tradition
than a Christian holiday these days.
I celebrate at Christmas and I'm a Buddhist.
Is there an actual law against saying "Happy Christmas" in public?

360 :sucker:2006/12/21(木) 04:01:54
damn!! u guys r such assholes.
just shut the fuck up. ur english make me nuts!
u know wut? this site is like a mother fuckin shit!
guess wut!? u better stop writing on this damn site with ur mother fucker! niggar


361 :名無しさん@英語勉強中:2006/12/21(木) 04:03:13
Can you imagine we share only one religion in this world?


362 :名無しさん@英語勉強中:2006/12/21(木) 04:10:44
>I celebrate at Christmas and I'm a Buddhist.

Commercialization of Christmas by non-Christian
Japanese and Chinese(Such as Hongkoneese and Singaporeans)
invokes great disdine and cynicism from the rest of the
world. What 'enjoyment' do you got from Christmas?

>christmas is not that religeous at all.

Some christians seriously hate such statement.








363 :名無しさん@英語勉強中:2006/12/21(木) 04:24:44
>>362
I just celebrate Christmas for fun really.
In the same way that I would celebrate a birthday,
there is no religious reason behind it.
I don't mean to offend anyone in doing so.

364 :名無しさん@英語勉強中:2006/12/21(木) 04:38:49
That is a typical case of asymmetric perception.
It does not matter wherther you mind it or not, yet Christians mind.
They simply wonder why do you 'celebrate' it.
If you say that it is a simply joyful amusement, their wonder goes
more serious and merely despise you from the bottom of their heart.

365 :名無しさん@英語勉強中:2006/12/21(木) 04:50:16
>>364
Hmm. Maybe what you say is true.
But isn't despising someone from the bottom of their heart
against the core principles of Christianity?
Also, many Christians celebrate Halloween.
This is a Pagan festival. And so in criticizing us
for celebrating Christmas, they are being hypocritical.

366 :名無しさん@英語勉強中:2006/12/21(木) 05:04:05
Hypocritic? It is nothing more than common sense that
Americans and Europeans are great hypocriticians(w
As famous staying 'A british would be a Knight if he robbs much'
tells even themselves hava ironic view toward their nature.

Syncretism you mentioned above concerning Pagan origine of
Halloween may be true; actually some european countries, especially
France and Spain have many festibals that can be dated back to
past heterodoxy.

However, a main difference is that these past religions, say
some Celtic ones or Greco-Roman polytesism had abolished after
prevailing Christianity, while you belive in Buddism, a major and
exsisting religion. Christian may ask you how you celebrate
Buddha's birthday in April and the day of his death. Most of the
Japanese got annoyance toward this question since few celebrate
these days in contemporaly Japan. This fact shocks Christians and
invokes another serious wonder and cynicism toward your way of
celebrating Christmas.





367 :名無しさん@英語勉強中:2006/12/21(木) 05:13:33
F CHRISTMAS!
DON'T SING CHRISTMAS SONG NEAR ME!!
YOU CAN GIVE ME A PRESENT ON ANY DAY OTHER THAN CHRISTMAS.
X'MAS IS THE RIGHT SPELLING.
'CAUSE IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH JESUS.
ON THE CHRISTMAS DAY, I ALWAYS GO OUT DRINKING WITH MY FRIENDS,
AND F MY CHICK IN THE NIGHT.
RELIGION SUCKS!!

368 :名無しさん@英語勉強中:2006/12/21(木) 05:26:20
>>366
I do understand what you mean, but I see no reason
why I should stop celebrating because I do enjoy it.
I mean no disrespect towards Christians, but if they
percieve it that way, then that isn't my fault.
Also, if they want to celebrate Buddha's birthday,
then they are welcome to do so in my opinion.
Furthermore, it was the Americans themselves that
commercialised Christmas (or Xmas) and made it seem "cool".
I believe that this is why it is popular now in Japan as
well as many other non-Christian countries.
And today, there are still Pagans but it is minority.

369 :名無しさん@英語勉強中:2006/12/21(木) 05:37:34
As continiously mentioned, it does not matter if
you mind it or not and how do you evaluate your way.

This kind of asymetric perception is really something hard
to deal with. I can admit that your view typifies well
common Japanese feeling toward Christmas, and even for
Religion in general, as a Japanese. However these kind of
relatism is hardly accepted by THEM.

Sequently,the simple consequence will be that you continue
to celebrate in the Commercialistic way as a comsumer, while
billions of Christians and Muslisms keep lookig down you
to an extreme degree.



370 :名無しさん@英語勉強中:2006/12/21(木) 05:50:09
>>369
Then if they choose to look down on me it can't
be helped.\(−−)/
I wish that they could have a better understanding of
non-Christian and non-Muslim ways of thinking,
but maybe they are too much narrow-minded?
I have to leave now sorry. I'll discuss this again later.


371 :スコットランド人:2006/12/21(木) 07:12:44
I hope you don't mind a native speaker joining in this debate...

I'm a Buddhist living in a mainly Christian country.
I celebrate Christmas with my Christain friends, and
they don't bear any ill will towards me for doing so.

Like I said in another thread, Christmas is more of a
commercial holiday in this country now.

I will admit however that some traditional, right-wing
Christians don't like the fact that I celebrate Christmas.

I have to stress that they are in the minority though...

372 :名無しさん@英語勉強中:2006/12/24(日) 09:32:10
hay guyz wats going on

373 :名無しさん@英語勉強中:2006/12/24(日) 21:53:47
>>371
Right-wing Christians don't like the fact that anyone celebrates
that "heathen" version of Christmas. That is to give each other gifts, and
to be with each other, instead of attending mass, praying, thanking god
for jesus and all that. They greatly dislike the commersialized christmas,
as they feel it doesn't convey the god fear and obedience to their god, but
is about worshipping gifts and the heathen god/saint "Santa Claus".
"Terribly un-Christian," they say.

374 :名無しさん@英語勉強中:2006/12/25(月) 14:26:13
I once visited Christian minority village in Malaysia.
The situation I saw there was awful one.

While Christian minorities(They are descendents of Portugues
and preserved their belief in Catholic in the Muslim country
handreds years against all desbenefits) and Indian Christians there
prey really sincerely and decently, Chinese just messed the celebration
making terrible noise.
They just flocked to drink and loon over the night, and
they enter decorated houses in the village without asking to
take keepsake pictures. For them, Christmas is nothing more
than an amusement. Although I am not a Christian and I believe
I am free from current anti-Chinese atmospher among the youth,
the Chinese way seemed to be very shallow and totally ridiculous.

Needless to say, Japanese spent Christmas day just like the
Chinese, possibly even much worth than them since Japanes Christmas
is even synonym of sexaholic night.








375 :名無しさん@英語勉強中:2006/12/25(月) 14:27:06
Needless to say, Japanese spent Christmas day just like the
Chinese, possibly even much worth than them since Japanes Christmas
is even synonym of sexaholic night.



376 :名無しさん@英語勉強中:2006/12/25(月) 16:10:11
Merry Christmas, everyone v^-^v

377 :名無しさん@英語勉強中:2006/12/25(月) 16:21:17
For being a non-Christian Japanese, I wouldn't mind if Christians or Muslims
going to the shrines on Jan. 1 and celebrate the New Year.....
I guess a lot of originally religious ceremonies have become
diluted as years go by.

378 :名無しさん@英語勉強中:2006/12/25(月) 16:28:59
そりゃ多神教の考え方だし

379 :名無しさん@英語勉強中:2006/12/25(月) 16:42:48
Regarding the ways to celebrate Christmas, why don't we put it this way.
Although Sushi is a very traditional Japanese food, when it gets eaten
in other countries, its styles often get changed dramatically to adapt to
the needs of the country.
For e.g. in the U.S., they have invented "California Roll" which uses avocado
as an ingredient, which never existed in Japan.
As someone said, the "right-wing" sushi maestros might get offended, but in general,
we are happy that our traditional food is taking root in other countries.
Same goes for Chinese food, Italian food, etc. etc.
So I think it's OK for each country to have different ways to enjoy celebrating
religious ceremonies including Christmas.


380 :名無しさん@英語勉強中:2006/12/25(月) 16:48:16
寿司と宗教同列の論じるなんてなあ

381 :名無しさん@英語勉強中:2007/01/02(火) 09:00:26
* Happy New Year *

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